Because after all, if Indifferentism is the only religion, then human fraternity is the idol to be worshiped.
Pope Francis petitions UN for new annual secular celebration of ‘human fraternity’ | News | LifeSite https://t.co/qLw3tUxUQX
— Diane Montagna (@dianemontagna) December 9, 2019
ROME, December 9, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — In the latest sign of the importance Pope Francis attributes to his contentious Abu Dhabi interreligious initiative, he has now united with Sunni Grand Imam Ahmed Al-Tayeb in petitioning the United Nations to declare February 4 the annual World Day of Human Fraternity, the Vatican has announced.
But wait, there’s more! If you don’t click the link and scroll down far enough in Diane’s piece, you might miss this:
He also appointed Adama Dieng, UN special adviser for hate speech and the prevention of genocide, as UN representative to follow up on the proposed activities and work with the Committee.
In a September 27, 2019 interview, Dieng said that while there is no official definition for hate speech, the United Nations understands it to mean “any kind of communication in speech, writing or behavior, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, color, descent, gender or other identity factor.”
The entire transcript of that September interview of Dieng is readily available online. You might want to google it so you can understand how you will be targeted. An internet snitch network is a key component. So if you’ve ever written about anything LBGTQXYZ related, like “BRUCE JENNER IS A MAN” HERE, or anything related to he horrors of Islam, or anything related to Antipope Bergoglio and the antichurch… watch your back, pardner. It’s about to be High Noon, and these guys don’t play nice.
Those guilty of hate speech pretty covers everyone either alive or dead on the entire planet including the unholy father.. Whoever takes on bringing offenders to justice better have a pretty big jail.
What an odious bast— he is.
I can only agree with the cleric who said of him, “may God open his eyes or close them for good”.
Bergoglio has just outed himself (full pun intended) as a Freemason. “Human Fraternity”. Straight from the lodge that launched the horrors of the French Revolution and the subsequent overthrow of the Catholic monarchies. Not to digress, but note how the islamic monarchies have been left in-tact. As Ann has pointed out several times on her site, the papacy is the only Catholic monarchy left in the world. Bergoglio, the wicked and evil POS he is, is now working over-time with the Church’s enemies to destroy the papacy and thus the Church so he can pave the way for the anti-Christ. Those of you reading this who are still donating to diocesan funds need to stop it immediately. That money is and will increasingly be used to fund satanic crap like this. Even if you have a good Bishop, don’t think for a minute that Cupich and company don’t have the authority to steal it for whatever they want.
What in the hell else does this antipope have to do to convince otherwise good Catholics that he’s NOT the Pope? Marshall, Matt, Ferrara, Lifesite….your credibility is severely compromised.
kono says: December 9, 2019 at 5:23 pm
I think we have to cut Marshall, etc. a little slack. They can tell from the comment section how bad-mouthing Bergoglio goes over–which IMO is not particularly well. Their blogs are their source of income, thus a business. Accordingly they have to watch their mouth or the mouths of the writers and commenters. Evidently they have decided not to push Bergoglio too far, either by their sugar daddies or the USCCB who might threaten to Index them.
My guess is they know Bergoglio is a bad guy but have to be careful about going full-Barnhardt until the Overton Window widens. And I do think they are raising that Window as best they can. In the meantime we can commiserate and crusade on this site and maybe a couple of others. Patience.
PS: I was banned from commenting on Crisis a couple of weeks ago which does not make me unhappy. Three years of being a flack catcher and responder requires a break.
@Mr Dowd: “Flack catcher” Is that like a dream catcher only…not? Lol Thank you for staying in and being in the trenches long before I was a glimmer in my mother’s eye.
The point isn’t that they believe Bergoglio is a “bad guy”. They do. They report on it almost every single day, Their problem (and those that follow them) is insisting a antipope is Pope. “Cutting them slack” allows this lie to perpetuate….or at least not be open to debate/discussion. THAT’S the problem. They ban those of us who challenge their opinions. They won’t engage….and I ask why? They all KNOW the Church’s teaching on the love of money and human respect.
kono says: December 10, 2019 at 10:37 am
“They all KNOW the Church’s teaching on the love of money and human respect.”
Way too harsh kono. They have families to feed. You and I can throw stones because you and I have nothing to lose. Ann Barnhardt with no family can even lose her life over this–and would probably welcome it. But most are not in that enviable position because we have responsibilities or lack the courage.
We should admire what they do and pray they will engage when they see the time is right. The battle has just begun kono. Patience.
Michael. Admire what they do? Does that include telling the faithful to believe as he (Marshall) does that an anti-pope is Pope and that if one doesn’t believe that, they’re committing the grave sin of schism to attend Mass where Benedict is commemorated? Admire that? Should we also admire their tearing down of the papacy to make Bergoglio “fit” as the true Pope? I’m sorry…are these truths also too harsh?
kono says: December 10, 2019 at 1:04 pm
“Should we also admire their tearing down of the papacy to make Bergoglio “fit” as the true Pope? I’m sorry…are these truths also too harsh?”
You are now over the top kono. Learn to live in the gray and be patient. Inflexible things break. Bend kono bend. You would be happier–and others too.
Michael Dowd,
As it pertains to the glory of God, The Seat Of Peter and defense of Holy Mother Church in all her holiness: business models, grey areas and finding middle common ground with blasphemous heretics does not interest me any more.
Bergoglio is a fraud; antipope; antichrist (small a). His religion is toxic. He is an affront to Almighty God. Anyone who has authority but fails to act against him has much to answer for. Anyone who calmly sits back and fails to take all appropriate defensive action against him and his fake one-world communist religion on behalf of their own souls and those of their family also has much to answer for.
We need to call it like it is. I’m done with that fake religion and the supposed Pope whose only goal is to destroy Sacred Tradition and promote one-world government leftist communism devoid of the One True Religion. He ain’t Pope. His religion is not Catholic. Previous Christians burned at the stake over a few grains of incense offered to idols. ‘Nuff said.
Aqua says: December 10, 2019 at 7:28 pm
I agree with all of what you say Aqua. The issue is in view of what you say what is our best modus operandi? How do we deal with our enemies and would be allies, especially allies who soft pedal their criticism? Anger and rejection is not a Catholic approach as we know.
To begin with we need to understand our history a little better. One Peter 5 has a good book review on this by an English author. ‘Mass Exodus: Catholic Disaffiliation in Britain and America since Vatican II’
by Stephen Bullivant’ https://onepeterfive.com/mass-exodus-catholics-gone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Onepeterfive+%28OnePeterFive%29
Here are my comments on the review:
Agree 100% with the review. Yes, Vatican II is a catastrophe for the Church because it aligned itself with secular humanistic trends developing in the Western world especially the United States. Prior to VII Catholicism had become more a cultural expression than a way to live ones life. More a series of practices and disciplines than the internalization of Christ’s teaching. It was rule bound, authoritative, dictatorial and overly rigid with fear of hell being the primary motivation for being and remaining a Catholic. Pray, pay and obey was the operational strategy. In freedom loving America what happened should be no surprise.
To me all of this going back to the time of Constantine when the Church became a Monarchy, a Kingdom more of this world than the next and began operating like a worldly kingdom, a power organization able to compel obedience, out of fear rather than love.
Now we are reaping those seeds of our own destruction in the Church which appears to have gone full secular with Pope Francis placing worldly concerns over those of God. We should expect the Church to continue to shrink has it has little to offer–in a formal sense–than that offered by “theology” of the Democrat Party.
At some point, humbled and poor, the Church will return to the teachings of Christ found in today’s Gospel, Matthew 11:28-30:
“Come unto Me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light
Anger and rejection actually *is* a Catholic approach; *the* Catholic approach; the *only* Catholic approach. When it comes to blasphemy, heresy and idolatry against Almighty God and the Holy Sacrifice there is no other response proper than anger and rejection; fury.
The Pachamama Idol, worshiped by Bergoglio and the Hierarchy of Cardinals and Bishops was a blatant line of division. The man who makes common cause with the enemy of Jesus Christ, Islam, and Islam’s false demonic god, now bows down to Baal; demands we Faithful bow down with him. If we wish to remain faithful to Almighty God and the Queen Of Heaven and Earth, full of Grace, pure fury and rejection against this evil is essential to our eternal salvation. With St. Daniel I open my window and publicly bow down to God against the decree of King Darius and his princes to bow down only to the idol. Come what may. There is no middle road any more.
Aqua says: December 11, 2019 at 5:40 am
“Anger and rejection actually *is* a Catholic approach; *the* Catholic approach; the *only* Catholic approach. When it comes to blasphemy, heresy and idolatry against Almighty God and the Holy Sacrifice there is no other response proper than anger and rejection; fury.”
Right on Aqua. But let’s not turn on our allies in this war because have temporarily lost their courage.
Kono. What I like about this site and Ann’s is that they are not enslaved by donors. Many, if not most, Catholic websites operate just like the democrat and republican political parties and that is not to say anything that will offend those sugar daddy donors. I think many of the other sites’ leaders do in secret think Bergoglio is an antipope but cowardice and effeminacy won’t let them risk losing those big donors.
James Andrew Dunn gets the gold star for the best two comments I’ve read on the Internet all day. Will their complicit silence be of comfort to these bought Catholics who run these sites when their children and ours are persecuted by Bergoglio and company French Revolution style? I doubt it.
kono gets a very close second place.
The “Human Fraternity Day” will be the first church feast from the ordinance of the UN Secretary. Jorge the Apostate could not propose a better date because Feb. 4 is Madonna del Fuoco* day – the false prophet brings on himself and his company the wrath of the Divine Mother!
* It. ‘Fuoco’ = ‘Fire’
Lol Michael. You aren’t the first person to tell me to “live in the gray” or be more flexible….I heard this all too often from Protestants during and after my conversion.
I think the flexibility and gray area attitude is what’s gotten us (the Church) in the poophole we’re now in.
kono says: December 10, 2019 at 6:53 pm
I like the way you hang in there kono. You are right to a point. The problem is that “flexibility and gray area attitude is what’s gotten us (the Church) in the poophole we’re now in” is not the right conclusion. All of life requires flexibility. The issue is the ability to hold to your principles while understanding the point of view of others. Since Vatican II the Church has not been holding to its principles but rather aligning them with the opposition. The Church is trying to survive by making itself user-friendly; it has become a business trying to survive and protect it’s assets. It has lost its reason for being. It has become more of a business than a religion. This is not what the world needs now. Rather it needs to return to Christ and His fundamental teaching of individual holiness by following the will of God to obtain eternal life. Rigidity, formality, monarchy, worldliness, power, corruption, is what the Church has externally become. We need to return to basics and only the basics. My opinion, of course. Lord have mercy.
“The Church needs to return to Christ” by publicly rejecting with cold, hard, anger those who have infiltrated His Body, Holy Mother Church, placed an antipope on the Holy See who leads the Faithful into sin and idolatry and desecrates the eternal Sacrifice and the Liturgical Prayers of the Sacrificial Offering of Holy Mass. Dead to the world. Alive to Christ.
What you say here about the “Vatican II Church” (there can obviously be no such thing as a Vatican II Church … only the One True Eternal Holy Church) can equally be said about those public Catholic figures who place pragmatic concerns of survival over submission to the demands of holy oblation.
Only Triune God and our Blessed Mother matter and the one, true Church God gave us to lead us to Him.
Like your style Aqua. And I would like it even better if you would state your real name. This would add to your credibility.
And by the way have you seen this: Tuesday, December 10, 2019
“The Vatican is currently a circus that condemns truth and justice to death.”
https://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-vatican-is-currently-circus-that.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheEponymousFlower+%28The+Eponymous+Flower%29
@ Michael Dowd: I have personally explained my views to every relevant Priest and will continue to do so with every rightful authority over me in the future. I have taken specific action to align my worship with my Catholic belief. Those who need to know, know. I have revealed everything to them, and have placed all our Sacramental lives at their rightful Priestly authority and discretion.
My business model is not a public for-profit Catholic blog. My business model is a large special needs family, supported by my work in a secular business, in which I am public in my Catholic Faith; our spiritual life is contained in our home and in our Parish. There, I publicly and vigorously defend the faith.
“My business model is not a public for-profit Catholic blog. My business model is a large special needs family, supported by my work in a secular business, in which I am public in my Catholic Faith; our spiritual life is contained in our home and in our Parish. There, I publicly and vigorously defend the faith”
God Bless you Aqua. Keep up your good work. You are both an inspiration and a spur to others. And your defense of the faith is surely shocking, angering and even scandalizing to some. I have found it that way in my experience.
@ Michael Dowd: The Pope and Bishops with him declaring homo sex and adultery no longer sinful but rather ordained by God – that is the only shocking, scandalous thing.
Standing with Sacred Tradition and living the Faith according to the will of God and His Law is as simple and normal as can be. Declaring sin to be sin and false gods to be false is simply our basic duty.
@Aqua says: December 11, 2019 at 8:55 am
@ Michael Dowd: The Pope and Bishops with him declaring homo sex and adultery no longer sinful but rather ordained by God – that is the only shocking, scandalous thing.”
If what you say is true that would be shocking to most folks—but the Church has not said this yet in the mind of most Catholics. But for you to say it–that is shocking.
Adultery no longer sinful, and directly willed by God. Idol worship. We are not in any sort of gray area here. https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/12/11/antipope-bergoglio-specifically-proclaims-the-heresy-of-amoris-laetitia-as-the-magisterium-of-the-church/
Mark Docherty says: December 11, 2019 at 11:18 am
“Adultery no longer sinful, and directly willed by God. Idol worship. We are not in any sort of gray area here.”
Yes, not gray. Black as the soul of the devil for sure. But sin is not my reference. My reference point is the recent battle among Traditional Catholics on how to condemn our anti-pope. It is between the hard liners, ;i.e., Ann Barnhardt, Non Veni Pacem vs the “soft liners” Remnant, One Peter 5, etc.. It is really an argument about what is the right way to confront the evil in the Church especially the Bergoglio question. The “gray” has to do with how this situation is viewed. I view making a judgement on this question as being gray. It is a question of the appropriate strategy at the present time. I say cut them some slack–for awhile. Maybe 2-3 months.
@Michael Dowd: That is also not open to interpretation – the question of “tactics”. There is only one interpretation and it is recognizable by any and all Catholics. The resignation statement – *in the original Latin text* (ie the only one that matters, written by the hand of the Pope and not translated [wink, wink]) – is.not.valid. It centers on the Words Munus and Ministerium (as you know). The Pope IS the Office. What he DOES is the Ministry (See Of Peter; Dioscese Of Rome).
The Munus, Munus, Munus. Resign that. Then go home.
A Conclave is *illegal* and an affront to God if it is called while a Pope still validly reigns in his Munus and remains.
You cannot go beyond that first moment in antipope time. Full stop. *Nothing* that comes after is relevant to the discussion on who is Pope. Everything that comes after is utterly predictable.
I reject any argument that focuses on the heresy, apostasy and idolatry of this antipope as a key to his removal. The true reality must be acknowledged and restored to its proper place: Pope Benedict XVI never left; still reigns; his resignation partial, not full and complete from his *Papal Office*; the Conclave was thus clearly illegal and it’s members and their naturally resulting antipope must be held to account. A responsible, Godly College Of Cardinals would have taken the resignation paper, torn it in two and asked for another. And then … (!) ….. if proper and complete …. they would have insisted Joseph Ratzinger return to the mountains of Bavaria *for shame*!
But, here we are. Debating. And there he is. Praying in the Vatican in his Papal attire, Piscatory ring on the finger of his prayerful hand. And there is the other guy …. adoring bloody Baal Pachamama.
It is all in the letter. The resignation letter. Ocham’s Razor, man.
Office vs Ministry: https://nonvenipacem.com/2018/12/21/smoking-gun-the-rhine-flows-into-the-tiber-starring-karl-rahner-and-joseph-ratzinger/
Aqua says: December 11, 2019 at 3:30 pm
“@Michael Dowd: That is also not open to interpretation – the question of “tactics”. There is only one interpretation and it is recognizable by any and all Catholics.”
The tactics I am referring to have absolutely nothing to do with anti-pope Bergoglio heresies with which I am in 100% accord. They only have to do with the differences of how to publicize anti-pope Bergoglio’s heresies. Trad, Inc. for whatever reason has decided to soft-pedal them while the Ann Barnhardt contingent wants to blast them out and call a spade a spade and make a case that Benedict is still Pope. All I’m saying is to give Trad, Inc. a little more time to let the need for a more vigorous response sink in and not cast aspersions on them for doing so.
As far as the conversation about the invalidity of Benedict’s resignation I view these arguments only of interest to the cognoscenti which the average Catholic has neither the time or interest to comprehend especially when most of the hierarchy show no interest.
What is important are the actual Bergoglio heresies which need to be called out and which many Catholics will understand and will condemn their “Pope” for advocating. That is what we should focus on and for which we should expect our Trad, Inc. allies to condemn “anti-pope Bergoglio. Giving Trad, Inc. more time to digest the urgent need to speak out is all I’m advocating. To most Catholics Bergoglio is the Pope in good standing. That must change but it takes time. Patience, prudence, charity!
@Mr. Dowd: When once presented with the following proposition: Either Jesus was the Messiah or He wasn’t. If he wasn’t, after examining all of the information, one would choose to be an Israelite who follows the Torah and waits for the Messiah OR if He was Who He said He was, then after examining all of the information, one would choose to be a Roman Catholic. Which do you choose? The person replied, “I choose not to choose.”
It seems to me that what you describe as the “Bergoglio gray area” where ESPECIALLY Trad Inc and most Catholics reside, is similar to this non-choice “choice”. Those Trad Ink-ers who rely on their speaking platforms for a living do no good service to our present debacle. In fact because of their platforms and their present intransigence regarding even discussion of and request for and examination of the resignation, the fence they sit on while waiting for a future council or future pope to decide all the while attacking the antipope for his heretical lack of “pope-ness” serves to destroy the legitimacy and authority of the Papal Office.
Once people who we know take note of the heretical contradictions, unlike these “talking heads” and the “do nothings” in the hierarchy, our “yes must be yes and our no, no” when we point those people to the resignation and canon law. Perhaps put Aqua’a words to memory: “That is also not open to interpretation – the question of “tactics”. There is only one interpretation and it is recognizable by any and all Catholics. The resignation statement – *in the original Latin text* (ie the only one that matters, written by the hand of the Pope and not translated [wink, wink]) – is.not.valid. It centers on the Words Munus and Ministerium (as you know). The Pope IS the Office. What he DOES is the Ministry (See Of Peter; Diocese Of Rome).
The Munus, Munus, Munus. Resign that. Then go home.
A Conclave is *illegal* and an affront to God if it is called while a Pope still validly reigns in his Munus and remains.
You cannot go beyond that first moment in antipope time. Full stop. *Nothing* that comes after is relevant to the discussion on who is Pope. Everything that comes after is utterly predictable.”
As to giving Trad Inc a little more time, Mr Ferrara’s decades-long association with Fr. Nicholas Gruner leads me to believe that he’s had at least since November of 2014 to step away from FiP and yet he “stands fast and holds to the ‘double speak'” recently presented in his interview on Fatima with Dr. Taylor Marshall: Amoris Laetitia’s not doctrine, it merely addresses a change in discipline. We just need to Recognize that Bergoglio is the pope and Resist him when he makes a mistake. Patience with such Protestant-like, practical-sedevacantist TACTIC of Recognize and Resist has got to end.
Islam_Is Islam says: December 13, 2019 at 9:33 am
One last time and then I’m outta here.
My clear private position is that Bergogllo is an anti-pope and Benedict Pope. My public position on this technical issue changes depending to whom I’m addressing. However, I always call Francis a bad Pope in one way or another.
I believe the discussion about “Pope” Francis should revolve mostly around his heretical actions not his status. Most folks are not ready for the illegitimacy argument but can plainly agree with heresy when they hear it.
Trad, Inc can do whatever they wish in this regard. Sometimes it pays to call a spade and spade and sometimes not. The legitimacy issue is just too controversial and inside baseball to fall on your sword. It makes one seem like an Ann Barnhardt nut case as I have been called myself. So I learned a lesson, i.e., there are different ways to skin a cat.
Enough. God Bless you and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@Mr. Dowd: Thank you. And a blessed Advent and Christmas time to you and your family.
It was announced by the German Bishops Conference on December 5 that “homo sex belongs to the normal forms of sexual predisposition and should not be changed. Sexual orientation is unchangeable. Adultery and homo sex no longer qualifies as a serious sin.”
“The results of the expert consultation (with sexologists, theologians, dogmatists (?) And Canon lawyers (of course)) will feed into the Forum of the Synodical Way ‘Living in Successful Relationships — Living Love in Sexuality and Partnership’ … starting work Feb 2020”.
This is the will of Bergoglio’s Pachamama baal and allah worshipping Church. Sodom and Gomorra.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/11/german-bishops-pronounce-homosexuality-normal-and-unchangeable/
Thank you Aqua.
Aqua…you freakin’ ROCK.
Michael…the gray area is where hell resides.
“… Inflexible things break. Bend Polycarp, bend. You would be happier–and others too.”
Susan: I and my family are safely in the TLM at a beautiful little SSPX Parish nearby. The Holy Sacrifice Of Mass said last week would be recognized by my Catholic brothers and sisters from any generation in two Millenia. We worship as one – Angels, Saints, Suffering, and our happy little band.
Jorgé Bergóglio put me there, and that is the one thing I am thankful to him for. He is so evil, even I couldn’t miss the moment of clarity.
And *that* is what rocks.
God bless the TLM and the eternal sacrifice of Holy Mass on God’s holy Altar.
God bless you and yours in these days. Exciting and full of optimism, in their own way. God and God’s Angels reign supreme.
Amen, my friend….’boanerges’, amen. And that is why you ‘see’ very clearly and your witness and words are so very powerful and penetrating. yes, it is a fact that these are very graced days to be alive, as were the days of red persecution…there is no gray area…the lines are clearly drawn…no fences to straddle. Pray for perseverance, fortitude, and clear vision. Keep rockin’…the True Rock, and keep your voice booming…you’re moving hearts.