Leo says the quiet part out loud: Catholic doctrine on homosexuality and marriage is changeable; Trads can shut up and say the Novus Ordo in Latin.
By Chris Jackson
On September 18, 2025, Leo gave a bombshell interview to Crux senior correspondent Elise Ann Allen, excerpts of which were published in her new biography Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the XXI Century. In the conversation, Leo laid out his vision on four flashpoints that have torn at the Church for decades: homosexuality, women’s ordination, synodality, and the liturgy.
What he said was a program. He signaled openness to revisiting women’s ordination, defended Fiducia Supplicans on LGBT blessings, suggested episcopal conferences might gain doctrinal clout, and dismissed the difference between the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo as a matter of attitude. Most chillingly, he floated the possibility that Church doctrine on marriage and sexuality could change once “attitudes” have been softened first.
Trad Inc’s “wait and see” is over. That posture is now clear complicity.
“Attitudes First, Doctrine Later” — The Heresy in Plain Sight
Here is the most chilling line of Leo’s interview, spoken in direct response to a question about changing Catholic teaching on homosexuality:
“We have to change attitudes before we even think about changing what the Church says about any given question.”
Let the weight of that sink in. When pressed about whether the Church might one day alter her moral doctrine on sodomy, fornication, and so-called same-sex “marriage,” Leo’s answer was not a clear and binding no. It was a roadmap: first shift the mindset, then shift the magisterium.
That is the precise formula condemned by Pope St. Pius X in Pascendi Dominici Gregis, where he explains that Modernists make dogma evolve “according to the needs of the times” and “the consciousness of the people.” Divine revelation becomes hostage to public opinion.
Leo then added:
“I find it highly unlikely, certainly in the near future, that the Church’s doctrine in terms of what the Church teaches about sexuality, what the Church teaches about marriage, [will change].”
Again, listen carefully. He did not say such a change is impossible. He said it is unlikely, at least not in the near future. That is the language of a man who believes the Church’s moral teaching could, in fact, be rewritten, once enough “attitudes” have been softened.
The result is simple, and deadly:
First you teach Catholics to smile at sodomy.
Then you change the Catechism.
First you preach “respect” for transgender choices.
Then you change the doctrine of creation itself.
This is an open heretical program, broadcast under the cover of “listening” and “synodality.” It makes doctrine subject to mood, culture, and focus groups, precisely the way every heretical sect has broken with the Catholic Church across the centuries.
Leo has told the world exactly what he intends: change attitudes now, change dogma later. That is betrayal…
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