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Mark – off topic, but – for sure you caught Vigano’s open letter, a couple days ago, right?
https://www.complicitclergy.com/2024/10/22/archbishop-vigano-open-letter-to-american-catholics/
Basically, the Archbishop says that “lesser evil voting” is not only morally possible, but morally required.
And of course, you would be aware acutely, that Vigano is the one guy to suggest – if rather late – that Bergoglio is an Antipope.
I’m not telling anyone what to do. Or judging anyone. Only pointing up his article..
Although I do personally find it odd, let’s say, when people want to ignore, or even override, the opinions of good Fr. Ripperger or Archbp. Vigano, on this.
Vigano acknowledges Trump’s very great flaws, as any sane person would. The issue is, relative degrees of freedom.
Trump’s America, though still sinful, would have more speech & religious freedom than Kamala’s, which would be plain anti-Catholic. So says Vigano, along with “in this war declaring oneself neutral means allying oneself with the enemy.”
The people I know who aren’t voting aren’t “neutral,” and their reasons for not voting aren’t merely Trumps flaws. The fact that both sides, are now openly pro abortion, pro sodomy, pro trans, pro wars, is a major factor , as is the belief that the system is totally corrupt, and they don’t want to be complicit in all this by participating. That is not my position, but I do understand it.
Mark – Small point of fact, Trump has vowed explicitly to reverse Biden-Harris “trans” policies.
“I will sign a new executive order instructing every federal agency to cease all programs that promote the concept of sex and gender transition at any age. I will then ask Congress to permanently stop federal taxpayer dollars from being used to promote or pay for these procedures and pass a law prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all 50 states.” – and more, including expulsion of hospitals from Medicaid/Medicare if they have anything to do with child trans, an end to men in women’s sports, and still more.
You can argue his positions are still not enough.
You just can’t argue As Bad As, or The Same As. That would be false.
Perhaps “not as bad as.” But he supports child gender mutilation with the parents’ permission. On video. My point is, we are at the point where conscience objectors are not wrong to abstain. I’ve also stated this is not my personal position.
Again – On video – “I will…pass a law prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all 50 states”. I guess, whether you believe it is another question.
That speech was about changing policies of three letter agencies under the control of the Executive Branch. As for the “I will pass a law”… I’m pretty sure we all know that the Executive can’t do that.
TPTB decide who’s going to be in office, that’s one of my reasons for sitting this one out. Also, what’s (or who) is more dangerous? The clearly marked bottle of poison? Or the bottle with a few drops of same said poison labeled tummy? If TPTB let Harris win, perhaps some actual men will actually start something …a counter-revolution? Idk. I only know I’m not participating in this godless kabuki theater crap. 💩💩💩
Any exorcist (Ripperger) who endorses voting for evil of any degree isn’t much of an exorcist. “Good” is not the adjective that fits.
Evil, maybe?
Ps. Trump is pro-abortion, his “Catholic” wife is pro-abortion, and Trump essentially murdered millions of Americans with his Covid 19 vaccines. Not sure how that is in any way a “lesser” evil than Harris.
He also said that he was the katechon in 2020.
Let’s hope God intervenes before Musk “solves” many of our problems by identifying us, to “keep out the illegals” or what have you.
If Donald still does not know that the shots have killed people, is he just as senile or out of touch with the world as Biden? And if he does know but does not say a word, now what?
We might not “ignore” or “override” the opinions of those clergymen, but we can disagree with them. I did so on my blog, regarding this very topic a couple of days ago. I even made sure to mention that I agree with Abp. Vigano on a majority of issues.
What we should NOT do is assume these men are automatically right, even if they possess a sterling track record. One of those you mentioned, Fr. Ripperger, has even published books on the limits of magisterial authority. I would assume, therefore, he does not believe we should absorb his each every word as gospel. Come to think of it, I believe he has counseled lay people to consult the saints and Church doctors more than him.
As an exorcist he should never even utter something like he did. His opinion gave us a glimpse into his character. Call me crazy but I wouldn’t trust an exorcist who advocates picking an evil.
Mike – listen to yourself. Fr. Ripperger knows more about these things – especially exorcism & how to do it right – than you would.
I still pray for you.
Jeff,
I’ve watched Ripperger’s take on voting for the lesser evil. If you know what evil is, and your job is to drive out demons, demons that often manifest in people from their behavior that they feel is “not a big deal”, why would you actually recommend voting / endorsing evil?
People that excuse evil end up endorsing it.
You may appeal to authority all you want, it’s a logical fallacy, but I’m right on this. No man of God, much less an exorcist, should recommend endorsing evil.
Jeff, listen to Ripperger. He literally says to choose a “lesser” evil. Ok, well, most victims of demonic possession happen to it via engaging in “lesser evils”. An exorcist has no business advocating for a “lesser evil”.
I never said I knew how to do exorcisms, but I do know what an exorcist is supposed to be, and it’s alarming that he believes this. It’s also alarming that people think he’s right.
Evil is evil and there is no lesser. Until we have a truly Catholic candidate we cannot vote for anyone who promotes, condones or at the least ignores the murder of innocents and accepts sodomy as equal to marriage. We cannot participate in the satanic revolution. Although we are not and never were a “Democracy”, we were at one time a representative republic, which in and of itself is a rejection of God and His order by making man the ruler, not God.
The problem is that even if we were a Catholic monarchy, man directly rules. And that’s where sin comes in. There is no perfect answer.
On today’s feast of Christ the King, we are reminded of His rule of the world, his establishment of the Pope as ruler of the Church and the Catholic Kings of old. Albeit that some were not good kings because they were human, many were, and the Catholic monarchy is an exemplar of God’s hierarchy. The idea that we “vote” for our leadership is in direct opposition to the order God put into place.
While we’re on this topic, did the popes ever claim that the idea of a Catholic State is an apostolic tradition? Sound more like a normative claim (“the state ought to be Catholic”) than a descriptive claim (“the apostles have taught that the state must be Catholic”).
I ask because until Constantine Christianity was always persecuted by the state (more than 100 years after the death of the last apostle) and I don’t think Jesus told the apostles how to rule states.
I could be wrong, so someone guide me here.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/separation-of-church-and-state-is-a-sin-heres-why/
I don’t believe Trump will institute the draft and the other one will. This is why I’ll vote for him if for nothing else.
I de-registered to vote in 2020 when it became crystal clear that the whole democracy, elected representation thing is a masonic ruse. The years since that time have only reinforced my decision with more than obvious evidence.
That ho whose name I won’t say cause she’s named after a demon is herself, demonic. She’s also a tool and if she “wins” she’ll sit in the White House, looking in the mirror and cackling with narcissistic insanity while our globalist slave-masters run the country… just like they’ve been doing since at minimum, the George Bush Sr. Years.
I love and respect Vigano but this hero-worship of Donald Trump is dangerous, spiritually dangerous. Put not your trust in earthly men we’re told but that’s exactly what we’re doing.
Trump is partially responsible for the deaths of all the people who foolishly took the covidism shots: something he had the opportunity to stop but didn’t and to this day, doesn’t apologize for.
It’s not my place to tell people to vote or not. All I can say is to pray on it and meditate on our true home which is that absolute monarchy called Heaven.
Here in Nebraska we have two competing ballot measures, one is somewhat pro-life, prohibiting abortion after the first trimester. The other is to amend the state constitution to allow for abortion up to fetal viability as determined by the patient and their provider, whoever that might be. The measure with the most yes votes wins. I pray Catholics in Nebraska don’t stay home because of their dislike for Trump, potentially allowing the horrible abortion amendment to pass. Don’t vote in the presidential race if that’s what your conscience says, but down ballot races are still worth fighting for, I believe.
Democracy as it is, is a rigged Hegelian game that always inevitably furthers evil via progressive compromises. One has to strike bargains with the devil in order to do anything sensible.
Even the Hebrews and Christians had to sometimes take a gamble when working and cooperating with pagan authorities. So it is unavoidable. But those deals were specific, and there was no confusion as to only what terms Christians specifically agreed to.
This is not so with party-based democracy. The current system is flawed and no voters can directly vote on specific issues. America as it works, and the entire West, must be destroyed as justice demands. It will inevatibly happen all by itself. It is designed to.
As for mitigating the worst for a temporary 4 years. I don’t see any issue voting from that angle; but know that you provide credibility and your consent to prolonging that system with all it’s compromises, and that the winner interprets your participation as a mandate to do even that evil that you do not desire.
Others believe that by withdrawing from participation, indeed there is the risk that greater evil and suffering will come; but there is the hope that the system will destroy itself sooner, so that the victory of the uncompromised good can be speedily hastened.
The present situation is a dilemma. And thus, there is no ‘right’ answer (Not voting or voting for the least evil). But there is certainly one wrong one (Voting for the worst of two evils). So simply make your decision, let others decide differently, and surrender yourself to God’s Providence upon history. Be detached from the present world in such a way that no outcome makes you despair, it is all passing.